Marquez & Pedrosa on huge braking differences between F1 & MotoGP
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Posted By: Editor   |  12 Aug 2018   |  9:10 am GMT  |  123 comments

Marc Marquez and Dani Pedrosa got to try a Toro Rosso F1 car last June and both noted the huge difference between F1 cars and MotoGP bikes.

As a reward from Red Bull, the Spanish riders had a chance to test a modern F1 car around the Spielberg circuit in Austria, where the next MotoGP race will take place this weekend. Both Marquez and Pedrosa were under the tutelage of former F1 Red Bull driver Mark Webber and chief executive Helmut Marko.

The Honda riders (and others who’ve previously had the chance to drive an F1 car) agreed that the biggest, and most surprising, difference between car and bike is braking distances.

“Braking was the thing that impressed me the most about the F1 car. At the Red Bull Ring with a MotoGP bike, I brake when I get through the 200m mark. Driving the F1 car, I braked after the 50m mark. Even after a full day’s practice, I had the feeling that I wasn’t taking the turn instincitvely. I did it because I was told to do it; but my feeling was that I wasn’t getting into it,” explains Marquez to Motorsport, agreeing with his current teammate.

“Mostly on the first three corners, the hairpins, the difference between a MotoGP bike and a F1 car is enormous, I would say,” adds Pedrosa.

In that sense, F1 and MotoGP brake supplier Brembo’s information confirms that common feeling after the Austrian test. The most aggressive braking points are on the first three turns. At the first one, MotoGP bikes slow down from 320km/h to 97km/h and riders spend 5.2 seconds touching the brakes. At that point, F1 drivers get to 335km/h and reduce their speed to 140 km/h, having their foot on the brake for 1.8 seconds – less than half the time of their MotoGP colleagues.

Those proportions stay the same on the other two hairpins. In the first of these, MotoGP bikes go from 350km/h to 40km/h in 5 seconds, while F1 cars get to 315km/h and hit the brakes for 2.4 seconds to complete the turn at 90km/h.

And at turn three, while MotoGP riders face the braking point at 298km/h, reducing their speed to 75km/h after 4.1 seconds on the brakes – the braking power of F1 cars allows drivers to arrive there at 330km/h, pressing the brakes for half the time: just 2.3 seconds.

By: Oriol Puigdemont

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1

So if they made the discs on f1 cars smaller would it lengthen The braking zone a little and make the racing a little better?

2

@Wolfy

I’m no expert but I would have thought reducing the size of the carbon disks would increase the length of the braking zone. Basically, a moving car posseses kinetic energy and when the brakes are applied the energy of motion is transformed into something else – in this instance, heat (from the friction of the pads on the disks) and energy harvested by the MGU-K which is stored in a battery.

As energy can be neither created nor destroyed, logic would suggest that reducing the size of the disks would reduce the rate at which energy could be converted and therefore a longer braking zone would follow.

As I said, I’m no expert, but thinking it through that makes sense to me. Maybe we have a physicist in our group who could offer an opinion.

3

C63, the thing that really makes the difference is the downforce. Remember the brakes are only as good as the tyres ability to resist locking, as long as the brakes are powerful enough to lock the wheels, then making them more powerful is pointless. In an F1 car when the driver hits the brakes at high speed there is so much downforce from the wings that the brakes cannot overcome the grip available. The driver simply stamps on the pedal as hard as he can (safe in the knowledge that locking is not an issue) and then gradually release the pedal to stop the wheels locking as the speed, and therefore downforce reduces. This is why we only see locking at the end of the braking zone, and also why reducing the diameter of the disc wouldn’t have much of an effect on braking distance. I think the big difference would be an increase in disc failure, a smaller disc has less surface area, and therefore can’t dissipate heat as well as s larger one. Brake cooling ducts could be increased, but I wonder if it would be enough? Going back to steel discs would have more effect in lengthening brakeing distance, but the cars are always going to stop on a sixpence, no matter what you do to the brakes.

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@Tim

I’m sure the incidence of brake failure would rise if the disk size was reduced, and I’m not disagreeing about downforce being the main factor – as it obviously pushes the tyres onto the ground increasing the friction and ultimate stopping force permissible before locking the wheel (or under rotating as they like to call it). But, as the regulations only control the maximum diameter and thickness (so far as I can tell they don’t stipulate a minimum size) it occurs to me that larger disks would be an advantage and the teams would fit them if they could – regulations allow smaller disks but the teams choose not to fit them, even though they would be smaller and therefore lighter so there must be a reason for that.

As I said I’m no expert but if the disks were smaller, the drivers would have to take it easier to reduce the possibility of failure and consequently stopping distances would , I imagine, increase. Whether it would be enough to matter is another debate altogether 🙂

5

@Tim

At least if the drivers had to look after their brakes, it would bring a welcome change from looking after their bloody tyres 🙂

6

C63, I quite like the idea of the drivers having to look after the brakes, rather than just stamping on them every time. It would bring a bit of risk vs reward back into Grand Prix driving.

7

there are numerous factors which influence outcomes in f1, not just one.

8

Smaller discs are unlikely to make the braking distance shorter unless the discs are the limiting factor in the whole braking process, which i don;t think they are. as is clear when watching the F1 cars go round the tracks, the tyre contact patch with the track still is the limiting factor.

9

Probably not.

10

“…5.2 seconds….for 1.8 seconds – less than half the time of their MotoGP colleagues.”

That’s not just less than half. That’s one-third!

11

Because of huge difficulties to add something to this last episode of “advertorials” I’m commenting on Ross Brawns talk about the future of F1.

We might (as expected) be closer to a fully electrified F1 than going back to V8/V10/V12:s.

12

Formula E category and it’s business model is arranged to continue until 2031 or there about. F1 would be in conflict with Formula E until then. Personally I hope F1 stays away from a completely electrified model.

13

That’ll be right. There seems to be a lot of electricity running through people’s brains these days. Every century has its fad and this century’s fad happens to be electricity.

In my view such an extremes approach is completely unnecessary and I question the wisdom in abandoning something that works so well and spending vast amounts of money on tech that simply cannot be made to work.

In fact, I will be surprised if electric is able to match the power and range of a dinosaur v10 100 years from now , and I wonder how much speed will have to be sacrificed and how many car swaps needed to run a full GP at spa or Monza.

But really I’m at a point where I don’t really cre whether f1 goes electric or not since the sound that made f1 unique 20 years agi is gone anyway. And the PUs are just…meh.

14

And even if that would be the case, road cars all on electricity, I can’t see that F1 necessarily needs to be road relevant.

15

Of course tire surface, energy recovery ect completely different vehicles not the least.

16

@ aveli

Oh I see… Indeed, one learns something new everyday

17

Actually we didn’t learn anything about the reason for the huge difference in braking difference—which I would guess is down to the huge difference in the tyre contact patch and the much lower centre of gravity of the F1 cars. Bikes don’t need as low a static centre of gravity for cornering as they can lower their CoG by leaning the machine over. If bikes pulled the same Gs as the cars under braking, they’d go over the handlebars.

18

motorgp riders can’t cope with f1 race gforces.

19

Yep, that’s what John Surtees said.

20

surtees never felt the level of g forces felt by modern day f1 drivers so he wouldn’t know would he?

21

A startlingly irrelevant comment.

22

are you suggesting that you are a startlingly irrelevant person?

23

It is for these very reasons that MotoGP puts on an inarguably better show.

Rossi, Marquez, Lorenzo, etc. would be competitive in F1 almost immediately. Vettel, Lewis and the lot would be lucky to contend at a club level on a bike.

Two wheels is inherently harder.

24

I genuinely don’t follow your logic. Are you saying that because the braking distances are longer on bikes that the F1 drivers would find it harder to ride bikes? Surely it would be the other way around? From the comments they said they found it unnatural and only did it cos that is what they were told to do…
Hamilton has expressed an interest in giving motogp ago in the future. Maybe we’ll get an answer to that question.

25

The reason that MotoGP is a better show (for me, anyway) is because the machines can follow each other closely, can overtake three or four abreast around a corner, and because the rider is so much more visibly part of controlling the bike.

Your comment about MotoGP riders being competitive straight away in F1 is nonsense. As demonstrated by the fact that you cite no evidence, just present your opinion as fact.

26

On of the reasons they Moto GP riders can overtake 3 or 4 abreast (on top of very little aero dependency) is that they are racing the bikes that are 4-5 times narrower than F1 car on the track that has the same width for both of them.

27

are you sure sebee?

a better show attracts more audience and we know which of the two attracts the most…

motorgp can lean all they like as all racing bikes lean, there are even faster bike racing series than motorgp.

if motorgp put on a better show than f1, you’d be on their website expressing your passion for that sport. unfortunately you’re here instead.

28

I had no time to waste on a MotoGP site.

I was busy. Out riding my motorbikes.

29

that says it all.

30

Yeah.

It says fan participation in F1 means…commenting?

31

Sabes. There was a similar article on this subject here a few weeks ago, lots of people expressed similar sentiments to yours, but none of them knew what they were talking about either.

32

The fact that you refuse to believe it does not make it any less true.

33

Sabes, It’s not that I refuse to believe it, it’s just that I have no idea if it’s true or not. Neither do you.

34

l suggest anyone who thinks you can compare apples to oranges or joins in the debate really does not know what they are talking about.

35

It’s not the brakes,

it’s the tire contact patch on the road.

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Tim is right. Downforce is by far the biggest factor that enables f1 cars to brake harder and corner faster than anything else, because tyre friction is proportional to force pushing the tyres straight down. And it can’t be weight because weight will push the tyres in the direction of travel, which is why trucks cant stop quickly or corner very fast despite being very heavy.

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Generally people who drive an F1 car after driving or riding anything else comment on the brakes. The brakes in F1 ARE special. In the 90s when Indy Car drivers were trying out with F1 teams (Andretti, Villeneuve, Tracey, Unser) they all commented on the brakes. They were used to driving fast cars with big tyres, but the stopping power of F1 cars was something exceptional.

It’d be easy enough, of course, to reduce F1’s braking power by means of regulation changes – or just issuing all teams with spec brakes.

38

Put all the downforce you want on a motorcycle and it still will not do much to stop it. It has a minimal a tire contact patch with the road.

39

Gene, if you took all the wings of an F1 car, the contact patch would be the same, but the lap time would not.

40

Gene. Actually the car wouldn’t be that much better with no wings. If we assume a similar friction coefficient for the rubber used in both series, then it just comes down to the weight of the vehicle vs the surface area of the contact patch. The car has four wide tyres as opposed to two much narrower ones, but it also weighs five times as much.

41

We are talking about braking here. The braking still would be far superior to a motorcycle.

42

The more force pushing the tyre into the Tarmac the quicker it will stop because friction is proportional to the force pushing the tyre down.

43

Gene, and the downforce grinding those four contact patches into the ground. There are lots of reasons why F1 cars are so much faster than MotoGp bikes, but the aero is the biggest factor.

44

One of the comments above related to the prevalence of a driver in the Moto package and another to the down force/contact patch difference. Wouldn’t it be grand if the relevance of a driver in the F-1 equation could be restored to a major portion of that package ?

45

what does the contact patch do?

46

what does the contact patch do?

It’s the amount of rubber on the Rd = contributes to grip or breaking ability.

47

how about mass and centre of gravity, do they not contribute to braking distance?

48

Really, dude?

49

Even with F1 moving out of MotoGPs way, and pushing starts of F1 GPs up an hour to let F1 run after MotoGP without conflict results as per below. It’s “largely” due to…sure.

So without Italy, it is still trending down YoY?

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There has been a four per cent drop in viewing figures compared to 2017, but Carey has said that is simply due to coverage in Italy moving from free-to-air TV to a subscription service.

“That [drop] is largely due to our move from free to pay television in Italy,” Carey said during an investor call.

“Excluding Italy our television viewership is up three per cent year-on-year and our Saturday viewership for qualifying is up even more.”

50

Wait a minute….is Italy 20% of F1 viewing figures or something?

51

Sebee. Please explain the point of that comment to me.

52

Point? To inform.

F1 viewership is down. 3%

Italy alone responsible for 7% swing in total F1 viewing figures.

Imagine that…a country of 60 million can swing F1 world wide viewing figures by 7%!

And you know what? I actually believe there is truth there. I think these numbers aren’t padded and Carey let it slip before thinking if this is food info to tell someone. Going to Pay TV in a country of 60 million has swung world wide viewing figures by 7%!

Italians….giving paying for PU/Halo F1 the chin-flick. Love it!

Brits…follow their example next year. It’s the only thing that will move them to act.

53

Sebee. Brazil is F1’s biggest tv market, there was a fall there too. Can you guess why those Brazillians suddenly found F1 less interesting this year than previously? Maybe it’s because they hate the PUs, but it took them four years to notice.

P.S, is it your job to inform us? Did anyone ask you to do that? Shouldn’t educators deliver information without slanting it to fit their own opinions?

54

What a non article, two of the most disliked, spoilt people on a grid anywhere and a garbled attempt to speak about the differences between 2 and 4 wheels.

So far short of one of James’s excellent, informed articles, it is ridiculous.

55

He sold JAonF1.

You go back to cut the grass at a home you sold 2 years ago?

56

That’s what happens when you sell your blog to a large media organisation, you have to start using their content. Unfortunately these “editor” posts are usually a mess, and well short of the previous JAF1 standard. It’s definitely diluting the blog to the extent it’s no longer my first port of call for F1 content.

57

They bought so many sites last few years.

Motorsport owns Autosport, and they ruined one of my favorite websites, gpupdate.net

They didn’t just ruin it. They completely killed the English version. There was so much good legacy info on that site. Especially easy to use timing sheets from all weekend sessions going way back, testing times from all tests ever run and archive of live race blogs.

Taking down that site was a real crappy move by Autosport/Motorsport. It was a fan favorite for a long time.

58

I didnt realise he sold the blog. I guess I can see why the comments section is getting worse and worse then

59

The cynic in me can’t help but think that F1 is trying to get some of the positive attention that motogp has for its awesome racing by association.

Motogp should be very careful because if the continuing bidirectional flow of ideas continues the bikes will have stabilizers on and the riders will be wearing hi viz vests and a helmet with a flashing light on the top.

For pitys sake will someone get the god damn halo off the cars!

60

Honda has that self balancing tech now.

61

i love those halos, they look cool. look at the nonhalo cars, so antiquated. those who claim halos distance drivers from fans only find themselves distant from f1.

62

Why don’t you go to one of those decal shops and have them make you a Halo decal for your car windows?

You can show everyone on your commute what a true fan of modern F1 you are.

63

#aveli Formula e plan to use the halo to change colour indicating when the driver is using the electronic drs. Perhaps F1 can follow the lead ..but what for? Now there is a whole new thread for out of the box ( halo) thinkers!

64

I’m not sure if you are being very sarcastic, or have forgotten to take your medication this morning.

65

you need to get a few more stars before using that word, medication.

take a good look at those cars side by side before making such statements.

even if you do not like the look of them, would you demand that drivers drove without helmets?

have you not heard that a small parts of education is about the search for the absolute truth?

i am sure you have heard of the saying, one man’s meat is another man’s poison.

66

#nickh. As has been proved the same email allows as many aliases as you like to keep the same star rating. A real flaw on this site that has been exploited several times.

67

@Jon correct and under many different aliases.

68

you need to get a few more stars before thinking about telling me what to post on here.

Always the same argument when someone criticises you. Well 5 stars does not make you right it just means your email address has been posting on this site for a long time.

69

Please James, this idiot is ruining your website. I see he’s brought his conspiratorial cousin back with him too in the last few days.

70

I’ll take your original comment about halos looking cool as sacrasm. It makes more sense to think of it that way.

71

The latter.

72

Interesting insight into the braking difference between F1 cars and motoGP bikes but in a way, I guess it makes sense for there to be a difference because bikes have two wheels therefore 2 brakes whereas F1 cars have 4 brakes in total and what’s more F1 cars have a brake by wire device that helps in the art of braking late

Overall, with F1 having shorter braking distances this makes overtaking more difficult because the drivers have less chances to lick the stamp and send it whereas motoGP has a lot of action in the braking zone because the braking zone is quite vast

73

Other factors that have been completely glossed over in this article is downforce and cornering speed. The downforce pushes the tyres into the road harder meaning that braking has more of an effect and the cornering speeds are higher (because of downforce) so the cars do not need to slow down as much.

74

it’s not as simple as that, cars have more mass hence a higher momentum and more difficult to stop. the centre of gravity is also much lower in cars. many other factors to consider, not just the contact patch.

75

It really is that simple. Yes, cars have more mass but also proportionally more total friction between the tyres and the road, than bikes. So they can stop in a much shorter distance. They can also corner faster.

Shorter braking distance + faster cornering = less overtaking = worse for the spectator.

And that’s even before we got on to the aero that stops the cars following closely so you need a huge power delta to overtake on many circuits.

76

learn from these..

gross weight of your vehicle and weight distribution on each axle

speed of vehicle

rate of deceleration

tire size

wheel base

height of C.G.

master cylinder diameter

brake line size and circuit type

caliper piston dimeter and number of piston

coefficient of friction b/w ground and tyre

coefficient of friction b/w rotor and pad

size of brake pad

material of brake pad

type of brake fluid

77

why on earth do you think engineers spend so much time and money researching about ceramic braking systems, carbon fibre braking systems and development of servos?

why do they not just put on a set of super wide tyres to improve braking?

78

if it was that simple why do you think the motorgp riders were so impressed by it.

are you suggesting they do not understand the significance of contact patch?

79

does centre of gravity have an effect?

80

with all due respect f1 cars use carbon brakes, special callipers, brake fluid, fluid hoses, servos, for a reason.

does downforce increase as f1 cars slow down?

it’s not that simple…

have a look at motorgp braking systems, no where near as sophisticated as f1’s.

81

@aveli – COG, mass and contact patch* don’t make much difference. I’ve raced bikes and cars (with and without trick front wings). The difference in braking distance when you have a load of downforce is insane. I cut my teeth on bikes road racing. You might start braking as much as 300m from a turn. Moved on to rallying where the car would be slower (lack of BHP/Ton) on the approach but you wouldn’t brake that much later given approach speed. Tried single seaters. Whoot? Hammer on the brakes, come to a standstill 200m from the corner, stick it back in first and try again.

*not strictly true because the downforce squishes the tyres into the road increasing the contact patch, but that applies to bikes as well when you move the weight forward.

You probably need to race some stuff to understand

82

This is really surprising considering the amount of rubber on the ground between the two.Any news on new RB driver yet?

83

Scott, they’re going with Liuzzi,

84

An F1 car has 4 extremely wide tires which are flat bottomed so have an incredibly large surface area touching the track. Meanwhile a MotoGP bike has just 2 narrower tires with curved bottoms, so a much smaller contact area. It doesn’t seem to me much of a surprise the car can slow down quicker?

85

not that simple, many other factors to be considered.

86

It’s all smoke and mirrors with Moto GP riders in F1 cars. Rossi tried his hand at it but Ferrari never gave him the oppurtunity as has Lorenzo and now Marquez. The only one that crossed over and won both champs was J Surtees . But in the present I can’t see anyone replicating that.

As for Marquez his driving style would not fair well with the F1 Stewards and he’d have to give room for another car , which would be highly unlikely. Plus he’d end up with more points on his licence. It would be fun to see him against KMag that’ll end in carnage for Marquez and KMag. Both have a similar mind set.

Surtees was able to adapt but he had an awesome skill set to maintain a high standard on two and four wheels.

The process of braking and trail braking our just a million miles from F1 where it’s easy to lock the wheels. Wheel in Moto GP all it takes is a tank slapper and too much front brake to send you flying.

Marquez is incredible at last minute braking like Lewis and Alonso and Max but I can’t see them doing Moto GP . Just a totally different science and physical agility to be on two wheels verses 4 wheels.

Schumacher attempted it but that was just in a hobby way.

KTM looking like the Red Bull team. With Red Bull money they are rising high in Moto 3 and Moto 2 next year they’ll be up with Yamaha and Honda. Zarco doing a Lewis at Mercedes with KTM for 2019. Does this mean Red Bull will come out of sponsoring Honda next year also?

87

Schumi was most serious F1 driver about 2 wheels in modern era, right?

88

Don’t think so. I’ve seen a few of his races on two wheels. Wouldn’t say he had s glorious run of victories on two wheels. Besides he didn’t have a team mate who would move over to let him through or PARK the bus while he went off into the distance.

89

Not arguing with anything you said. But he was the most serious, right? Which says a lot.

I remember he had access to good hardware. Ducati were eager to give him good hardware, as they were getting press out of it.

90

Yes you are correct regarding Ducati Sebee 👍

So are right about the tech.

91

surtees is exaggerated, damien hill switched from bikes and became f1 champion and a runner up several times too.

92

Do you think Damon Hill would think Surtees achievements are exaggerated?

93

why not ask hill that question?

how do you expect me to tell you what he would think?

i have told you what i think about surtees’ 2 wheels 4 wheels myth.

no one mentioned him in the nineties.

94

why not ask hill that question?

how do you expect me to tell you what he would think?

Mainly because you used him as the example to back your dismissal of what Surtees achieved.

As for what Hill would think, I don’t think he would agree with you either, and I am basing this on what I have read and heard Hill say over the years, and his mother for that matter, about this era his father raced in and many others.

“Mythical” is not really a term I have heard used to describe motor racing of the past in any form.

95

Exaggerated? Yep easy thing to say from your armchair. In the past days,bikers were racing bikes in very limited leathers that had very little protection.

I can’t see any modern F1 driver competing in Both championship these days. Because of the length of both championships and also on few occasions they race on same weekends.

It was easier in the earlier days of both formats because the races were spread across the calendar and they didn’t fall on same calendar weekends.

96

Assuming you mean Damon Hill, he was never a bike world champ.

You’re about as opinionated as most people who don’t know very much. That is to say, very.

97

Nicely stated Jim

98

Marquez is incredible at last minute braking like Lewis and Alonso and Max

Its pretty clear RIC outbrakes everyone this season.

99

Its pretty clear RIC outbrakes everyone this season.

I reckon he could have out-braked himself as well with that move to Renault 😉

100

It will be interesting to see if Dan Dare can still pull of those type of moves in the Renault.

101

C63, yes that’s correct, Dan routinely ‘out performs the car’ and ‘defies the laws of physics’……

102

I eagerly await the answer to that question Tim, as I’m sure we have been reliably informed that it is all him and not the car 🙂

103

Lets wait and see shall we 🙂

104

@JohnH

Unless you have access to a time machine we have no alternative but to wait and see – but it doesn’t mean I can’t yank a few chains in the meantime 😉

105

With KTM’s trajectory this year Zarco might be doing an Alonso. Turning down Honda has certainly been a point of contention between him and his manager.

106

Damon Hill started his career in racing with motorcycles although not much happened.

107

Ps

Amazing race win by Lorenzo in Austria. I think he has mastered the Ducati now. The Ducati management now look a bit gutted they are loosing him to Honda.

Dovi just didn’t have the fight to go toe to toe with Marquez this weekend or Lorenzo. Lorenzo back at his best … I do hope next year this will be a big tussle between Lorenzo and Marquez. Both Ducati and Honda are now spending money on development, at a level of F1.

Rossi has stated that now Yamaha has to spend money and have bigger development team and play catch up.

The boss at Yamaha has publically apologised for the slow development. First time Rossi has stated “Yamaha do you want to win?!” As a outcry for their 2018 bikes. Vinales also has complained. Lowest start for Rossi since 2011 on the old misfiring Ducati of yesteryears.

Now look at Ducati and Honda way ahead of Yamaha with KTM rising upwards. KTM reckon they’ll make Marquez an offer in 2 years that he won’t refuse. It’ll beMarquez returning to his old team from his junior days.

Meanwhile F1…..zzzz Amrican jazz matazzzzz😴

108

Amazing race win by Lorenzo in Austria. I think he has mastered the Ducati now. The Ducati management now look a bit gutted they are loosing him to Honda.

I don’t know what Lorenzo must be thinking, it never looked like he’d get to terms with the Ducati and now all of a sudden he’s cracked it.

If he’d foreseen this there’s no way he would have signed up with Honda to partner Marquez. Who are they replacing Lorenzo with? I’m sure Rossi would be up for another crack on the much improved Ducati!

109

I think Jorge’s chances depend more upon Jorge and the weather than his team mate or bike. He beat Rossi at Yamaha and he’s gotten on top of the Ducati, he’s one of the mentally toughest riders on the grid, possibly ever, so I don’t see being Marquez’ team mate affecting his chances much. Honda are certainly the most willing team to build bikes around riders, Marc and Dani’s bike share an engine and little else. That willingness to develop in different directions might count most, it’s certainly become a big factor at Ducati.

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I can see the title being decided by one or two rounds with drizzly weather. Jorge is outstanding in the dry and the wet but seems to struggle in the middle, that could tip things in Marc’s favour far more than garage politics.

110

Lorenzo wanted some fairly simple modifications to the bike before this season started. It took ducati until round 6 to actually fit them, whilst Claudio Domenicalli wasted no chances to publicly insult Lorenzo. The first race Lorenzo got the re-profiled tank cover was Mugello, which he won. Even if he wins every race he was going once the Ducati brass started calling him names like grumpy ten year olds. He’ll be fine at Honda too, Jorge is a genius at setting up motorbikes.

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Ducati for their part have signed Danillo Petrucci for next year. Rossi will not be banging his head against that particular red brick wall again.

111

Fair play JNH, but do you think he has a better shot at the championship going against Marquez in the same team or Dovi? I would go with the latter. Anyway it sure makes next year much more interesting.

112

NickH

Petrucci is replacing Lorenzo at Ducati from the independent Ducati Team. It was a choice between Miller and Petrucci and they went with the Italian rider. Both Miller and Petrucci are highly rated.

I’m waiting for ‘aveli’ to have a hissy fit and say “there are other websites catering for MotoGp and this is a F1 site!!” 😁🤣

113

BK. I don’t keep up as much with the off track / behind the scenes stuff In MotoGP, just tune in on sundays to watch the races which I thoroughly enjoy.

Petrucci has been impressive this year often mixing it near the front so we’ll see how he goes.

Yes it is a surprise we haven’t received a lecture yet from the one and only 🤣

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BK

great comment.

I’m glad to see Lorenzo rise to the top again; he’s a great star, and the dual at the A1 ring was proof to that!

I’m hoping Casey comes back to ducati and we could see a full three team, four-five rider fight at the front (Casey, Lorenzo, Marquez, Vinales, and maybe Vale).

I think Stoner could walk onto any top-three formula one team in pre-season test one, and win that year’s F1 championship… if he wanted to, and someone invited him.

Casey and Max?!

It would be something!

But Casey is not good with Honda, so I guess not. (Ferrari!?)

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I think Stoner could walk onto any top-three formula one team in pre-season test one, and win that year’s F1 championship… if he wanted to, and someone invited him.

You are having a laugh.

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deancassidy

Totally agree about Casey. He walked away too soon. I suppose his priorities changed when he became a father and his desire to race was offset by his new dad duties and concern about safety to provide for his new family.

Casey against Marquez that would be on to watch.

Didn’t he do some testing recently do some testing for Ducati ? Last year or was it year before that at Phillip Island.

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Fair point C63

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Casey against Marquez that would be on to watch.

I’m not so sure BK – I reckon Marquez would eat Stoner for breakfast in a wheel to wheel contest. Stoner regularly used to cry/whinge about Rossi playing too rough. Well if he thinks Rossi was rough, how would he feel about Marquez?

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“I think Stoner could walk onto any top-three formula one team in pre-season test one, and win that year’s F1 championship”

If that were anywhere near likely to be true, one of the F1 teams would have made it happen, no?

There’s a world of difference between V8 touring cars and F1. And he didn’t do particularly well at the former – what makes you think he’d suddenly be a genius in F1?

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LukeC how can say if he was driving a Mercedes he’d finish second? Then if he was driving the Ferrari he’d finish first !! 😆

Plus the amount of young drivers that the big 3 F1 teams have in their youth progs do you really think they’d have a seat ready to furnish Stoners Glutimus Maximus?

But I do like your faith in the big teams doing a Moses and parting the waves for him 🙏👍👍

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If Stoner were driving for Mercedes in f1 he’d probably finish second.

Supercars is a completely different kettle of fish because nobody really has a significant performance advantage, so the driver is much more important.

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@BK Flamer

Careful. I said a while ago that the current F1 boys would put Marquez in the wall for the way he races, & got growled at for saying it. . . . but you’re right!

I agree with your post.

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I want to experience the feeling of that type of braking on a motogp bike and a f1 car…What do i need to redbull?

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